<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>Speaking professionally -</span></div><div><span></span><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1467736430526_6979"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1467736430526_6978">It is always "dicey" when people translate out of their native tongue and into a foreign language.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1467736430526_6980"><span></span><br></div><div><span>mkl</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 12:00 PM, "fpspace-request@mail.friends-partners.org" <fpspace-request@mail.friends-partners.org> wrote:<br></font></div>  <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Send FPSPACE mailing list submissions to<br>    <a href="mailto:fpspace@mail.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:fpspace@mail.friends-partners.org">fpspace@mail.friends-partners.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>    <a href="http://lists.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo/fpspace" target="_blank">http://lists.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo/fpspace</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>    <a href="mailto:fpspace-request@mail.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:fpspace-request@mail.friends-partners.org">fpspace-request@mail.friends-partners.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>    <a href="mailto:fpspace-owner@mail.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:fpspace-owner@mail.friends-partners.org">fpspace-owner@mail.friends-partners.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of FPSPACE digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>   1. Re: Upgraded "space shuttle bus" aboard new carrier rocket<br>      (Robert Pearlman)<br>   2. Re: Upgraded "space shuttle bus" aboard new carrier rocket<br>      (Phillip Clark)<br>   3. Re: Upgraded "space shuttle bus" aboard new carrier rocket<br>      (JBC Gmail)<br>   4. Juno at Jupiter (Zeger Nuyens)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:02:06 -0500<br>From: Robert Pearlman <<a href="mailto:robert@collectspace.com" ymailto="mailto:robert@collectspace.com">robert@collectspace.com</a>><br>To: "David R. Woods" <<a href="mailto:drwoods@stny.rr.com" ymailto="mailto:drwoods@stny.rr.com">drwoods@stny.rr.com</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org">fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Upgraded "space shuttle bus" aboard new carrier<br>    rocket<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:01967F84-84BE-4BFB-A82D-933B5659ECD0@collectspace.com" ymailto="mailto:01967F84-84BE-4BFB-A82D-933B5659ECD0@collectspace.com">01967F84-84BE-4BFB-A82D-933B5659ECD0@collectspace.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>The maiden flight of the Long March 7 carried a recoverable capsule, not a winged shuttle ? and that image is an artist?s concept created for Popular Science years ago (dating back at least to 2014). <br><br>The capsule was a sub-scale prototype and can be seen here:<br><br><a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-06/26/c_135467394_2.htm" target="_blank">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-06/26/c_135467394_2.htm</a><br><br>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 10:57 AM, David R. Woods <<a href="mailto:drwoods@stny.rr.com" ymailto="mailto:drwoods@stny.rr.com">drwoods@stny.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Long March-7, China's new generation carrier rocket, has carried an upper stage aircraft into the space in its maiden flight Saturday, said a senior space program official. <br>> <a href="http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Upgraded_space_shuttle_bus_aboard_new_carrier_rocket_999.html" target="_blank">http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Upgraded_space_shuttle_bus_aboard_new_carrier_rocket_999.html</a><<a href="http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Upgraded_space_shuttle_bus_aboard_new_carrier_rocket_999.html" target="_blank">http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Upgraded_space_shuttle_bus_aboard_new_carrier_rocket_999.html</a>><br>> picture: <a href="http://www.spxdaily.com/images-lg/china-yuanzheng-1-mini-shuttle-lg.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.spxdaily.com/images-lg/china-yuanzheng-1-mini-shuttle-lg.jpg</a><<a href="http://www.spxdaily.com/images-lg/china-yuanzheng-1-mini-shuttle-lg.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.spxdaily.com/images-lg/china-yuanzheng-1-mini-shuttle-lg.jpg</a>>_______________________________________________<br>> FPSPACE mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:FPSPACE@mail.friends-partners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:55:18 -0500<br>From: JBC Gmail <<a href="mailto:jbcharle@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:jbcharle@gmail.com">jbcharle@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Phillip Clark <<a href="mailto:phillipclark@btinternet.com" ymailto="mailto:phillipclark@btinternet.com">phillipclark@btinternet.com</a>><br>Cc: Robert Pearlman <<a href="mailto:robert@collectspace.com" ymailto="mailto:robert@collectspace.com">robert@collectspace.com</a>>, "David R. Woods"<br>    <<a href="mailto:drwoods@stny.rr.com" ymailto="mailto:drwoods@stny.rr.com">drwoods@stny.rr.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org">fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org</a>"<br>    <<a href="mailto:fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org">fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Upgraded "space shuttle bus" aboard new carrier<br>    rocket<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:FCA3B504-4C1B-43E7-82F2-B819CBF5779E@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:FCA3B504-4C1B-43E7-82F2-B819CBF5779E@gmail.com">FCA3B504-4C1B-43E7-82F2-B819CBF5779E@gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>These interpretations are reasonable but note that this is all slightly complicated by the fact that Chinese translators may be using the term "space shuttle" to refer to a piloted spacecraft. Early press reports about Shenzhou come to mind. <br><br>John Charles<br>Houston, Texas<br><br>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:45, Phillip Clark <<a href="mailto:phillipclark@btinternet.com" ymailto="mailto:phillipclark@btinternet.com">phillipclark@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Not sure if my postings are making it onto the list or not.<br>>  <br>> I had assumed that the "shuttle" referred to the manoeuvrable YZ-1A upper stage which went to different orbits to drop off payloads and then was used to de-orbit the re-entry vehicle demonstrator.   The intention was that YZ-1A would then return to orbit (would this be a "first" in spaceflight history?) for another day or so of orbital manoeuvres but it's unclear whether this actually happened.<br>>  <br>> Phillip Clark<br>>  <br>>  <br>> From: FPSPACE [mailto:<a href="mailto:fpspace-bounces@mail.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:fpspace-bounces@mail.friends-partners.org">fpspace-bounces@mail.friends-partners.org</a>] On Behalf Of Robert Pearlman<br>> Sent: 04 July 2016 17:02<br>> To: David R. Woods<br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org">fpspace@lists.friends-partners.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Upgraded "space shuttle bus" aboard new carrier rocket<br>>  <br>> The maiden flight of the Long March 7 carried a recoverable capsule, not a winged shuttle ? and that image is an artist?s concept created for Popular Science years ago (dating back at least to 2014). <br>>  <br>> The capsule was a sub-scale prototype and can be seen here:<br>>  <br>> <a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-06/26/c_135467394_2.htm" target="_blank">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-06/26/c_135467394_2.htm</a><br>>  <br>>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 10:57 AM, David R. Woods <<a href="mailto:drwoods@stny.rr.com" ymailto="mailto:drwoods@stny.rr.com">drwoods@stny.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>  <br>>> Long March-7, China's new generation carrier rocket, has carried an upper stage aircraft into the space in its maiden flight Saturday, said a senior space program official.<br>>> <a href="http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Upgraded_space_shuttle_bus_aboard_new_carrier_rocket_999.html" target="_blank">http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Upgraded_space_shuttle_bus_aboard_new_carrier_rocket_999.html</a><br>>> picture: <a href="http://www.spxdaily.com/images-lg/china-yuanzheng-1-mini-shuttle-lg.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.spxdaily.com/images-lg/china-yuanzheng-1-mini-shuttle-lg.jpg</a><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> FPSPACE mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:FPSPACE@mail.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:FPSPACE@mail.friends-partners.org">FPSPACE@mail.friends-partners.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo/fpspace" target="_blank">http://lists.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo/fpspace</a><br>> <br>>  <br>> <br>> <br>>                            <br>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. <br>> www.avast.com<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> FPSPACE mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:FPSPACE@mail.friends-partners.org" ymailto="mailto:FPSPACE@mail.friends-partners.org">FPSPACE@mail.friends-partners.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo/fpspace" target="_blank">http://lists.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo/fpspace</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.friends-partners.org/pipermail/fpspace/attachments/20160704/1d554219/attachment-0001.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