[FPSPACE] correction/update

jameseoberg at comcast.net jameseoberg at comcast.net
Thu Jul 6 17:21:13 EDT 2017

Except... except in late 1985 when NASA HQ 
was campaigning to kill off all DoD expendables 
that offered alternatives to shuttle. As ecplained 
to me by Don Kutyna, congressman Nelson was 
chosen to fly because his committee would decide 
the fate of the DoD budget request for expendables, 
and one key DoD objection to shuttle was not 
meeting urgent launch schedules. Kutyna told me 
that HQ made it clear to to shuttle operators that 
on-time launches had become critical to NASA's 
push to monopolize US govt transportation to orbit. 
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From: "David Portree" <dsfportree at hotmail.com> 
To: "Zeger Nuyens" <dokter.nuyens at telenet.be>, "fpspace" <fpspace at mail.friends-partners.org> 
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 4:12:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] correction/update 


It's all about context. In the early days, when NASA said the Shuttle would fly almost weekly and packed up its manifest with comsats and satellite repair missions, then delays meant that at least one significant, necesssary Shuttle Program objective was at risk , along with the objectives that followed from it . So, delays were failures to a greater or lesser degree, because they threatened that significant objective. Ultimately, NASA was forced to abandon its schedule ambitions and many other Shuttle ambitions, and delays became par for the course. They mattered less at that point because NASA adopted a more realistic schedule (really no minimum number of flights per year at all) that they could meet. Hence, delays ceased to be partial failures in most cases. They ceased to impact a significant and necessary Shuttle Program objective. 


David S. F. Portree 


dsfportree at hotmail.com 



From: Zeger Nuyens <dokter.nuyens at telenet.be> 
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 2:58 PM 
To: fpspace at mail.friends-partners.org; dsfportree at hotmail.com 
Subject: correction/update 

For a few days I have tried to find out out how many shuttle flights got 
delayed for one reason or the other and I must say I lost count. Do you 
really regard them as partially successful? For me, if the thing lifts 
up, delivers its payload in the right orbit in working order that's a 
success no matter the delays. 

(not talking here about the Challenger and Columbia disasters) 


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