[FPSPACE] Clinton's space policy

David Portree dsfportree at hotmail.com
Thu Oct 20 20:06:34 EDT 2016


Has anyone out there seen anything concrete on Hillary Clinton's planned space policy? I haven't found as much info as I'd like.


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Kozyrev was being more or less gently dissed as late as 2007 by LPOD no less:


http://www2.lpod.org/wiki/June_24,_2007

June 24, 2007 - LPOD<http://www2.lpod.org/wiki/June_24,_2007>
www2.lpod.org
image by Bruno Daversin, France. Nearly 50 years ago the Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kozyrev obtained a spectrum of the central peak of Alphonsus showing lines that he ...

Kozyrev may or may not have been ultimately mistaken, but the general response to his findings, especially by the West, went past academic and scientific skepticism.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2013/03/31/active-moon-recent-lunar-surface-phenomena-may-signal-some-form-of-volcanism/#53f0d2d5bc00


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Larry:


I don't recall that bit. If I'm not mistaken, selenologists (a term no one uses any more) have spotted dark pyroclastic deposits around vents in Alphonsus, some apparently quite young. So maybe Kozyrev will get the last laugh.


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While I liked Sheehan's book, Epic Moon, overall, I was actually rather bothered by his seeming near obsession with taking down every reported instance of TLPs, or Trans Lunar Phenomenon.


Sheehan seemed to be especially dogmatic about burying the character of Soviet astronomer Nikolai A. Kozyrev, who had observed several "eruptions" in the central peak of the lunar crater Alphonsus on November 2, 1958, and even recorded the event on his spectrograph. I distinctly recall Sheehan questioning everything about him, even approaching the man's sanity (Kozyrev ended up in the gulag during Stalin's reign of terror - not exactly the man's fault, ya know).


I get Sheehan may have been trying to separate "fringe" observations from genuine science, but I doubt Kozyrev should have been put in the former category or been treated in such a manner. Not to mention the astronomer was no longer able to defend himself by the time Epic Moon came out, having passed away in 1983. Funny how NASA took the observation seriously enough to aim Ranger 9 right at Alphonsus in 1965.


On a related note and of potential interest to list members, here is an online paper (PDF format) about how another American astronomer, Gerard Kuiper, also went after Kozyrev, in this case out of a sense of Cold War nationalism:


http://www.chronos.msu.ru/old/RREPORTS/kozyrev_100/doel_polemika.pdf





<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonsus_%28crater%29>



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From: David Portree <dsfportree at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:39 PM
To: LARRY KLAES; fpspace2
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] What Mars Maps Got Right (and Wrong) Through Time


Larry:


The author, Bill Sheehan, recently transplanted to Flagstaff to be near Lowell Observatory and USGS Astro. I actually like his lunar counterpart to his Mars book better - I think because I knew so little of the story behind the early moon maps when I read it. I think Greeley & Batson's classic PLANETARY MAPPING is online, too.


And then there's this - a little thing I dashed off. It's a bit weirdly formatted in spots but not too bad.


http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/rpif/exhibits/astros-first-lunar-map


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I think folks here will find this fully online book about the history of Mars from 1996 to be both relevant and very interesting:


http://www.uapress.arizona.edu/onlinebks/MARS/CONTENTS.HTM

The Planet Mars: A History of Observation and Discovery ...<http://www.uapress.arizona.edu/onlinebks/MARS/CONTENTS.HTM>
www.uapress.arizona.edu
Preface A century ago, at the height of what might be referred to as the "canal furor," Camille Flammarion published the first volume of his great work, La Planète ...




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A treasured childhood moment for me was to receive the Mariner 9 USGS map when it came out, after  a feature in a UK newspaper.  I had to send a postal order I think to buy it, probably first thing I ever bought from US.



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So many people get the Mars map story horribly wrong - but this is good. (Full disclosure - I work for USGS Astrogeology in Flagstaff. Among my duties is maintaining a collection of about 120,000 lunar and planetary maps, most made by USGS on contract to NASA. Along with that we have documents concerning map and mapping equipment development, drafts and various production phase map copies, and a collection of vintage map-making equipment.)



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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/planets-maps-exploring-mars-space-science/

[http://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/magazine/rights-exempt/2016/11/Mars/mars-supplement.jpg]<http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/planets-maps-exploring-mars-space-science/>


What Mars Maps Got Right (and Wrong) Through Time<http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/planets-maps-exploring-mars-space-science/>

news.nationalgeographic.com

>From the first map of Mars in 1831 to a new gravity map released in March, cartography has shaped how we understand the red planet.






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