[FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters

Michael Launer m.launer at att.net
Sat Dec 31 08:53:32 EST 2011


I agree with Jim completely regarding the Kremlin’s knee jerk public reaction to 
this incident and the danger to Lana Sator, who seems to be a fearless woman. 
But do keep in mind that what she did was illegal, and she surely would have 
been arrested if she had tried the same thing at JSC or Cape Kennedy. Granted, 
our security systems would have caught her long before she made any headway, but 
many people have tried and succeeded in penetrating commercial nuclear 
sites—and, as far as I know, they all were arrested and charged at least with 
trespassing. 

 
There should be an opportunity here for the US (private or government) to 
propose security upgrades to all Roskosmos facilities, just as we now are doing 
in the former closed cities and at many RF military sites where nuclear material 
is stored or used.
 
Have a happy New Year, everyone. 
 
Michael Launer
 
PS - Sorry to hear about the latest RF launch failure. 




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Today's Topics:

  1. Lana Sator's blog URL (James E Oberg)
  2. Re: Kremlin answer to space disasters -- squelchreporting
      onthem (Baris Gen?ay)
  3. Re: Kremlin answer to space disasters --
      squelchreportingonthem (James E Oberg)
  4. Re: Kremlin answer to space disasters --
      squelchreportingonthem (Christopher Gorski)
  5. China reveals space plans through 2016 (the five year    plan)
      (Peter Pesavento)
  6. Re: Kremlin answer to space disasters --
      squelchreportingonthem (David L. Rickman)
  7. Re: China reveals space plans through 2016 (the five year
      plan) (Chris Jones)
  8. Re: Kremlin answer to space disasters --
      squelchreportingonthem (Constantine A. Domashnev)
  9. Soviet/Russian meter-band space radio channels and TRAL    and
      RTS-9 TM systems (Sven Grahn)
  10. International Lunar Observatory Association plans to put
      telescope on the Moon in 2014 (LARRY KLAES)
  11. Kontakt Docking System (David L. Rickman)
  12. More reportage on China's five-year space plan (Peter Pesavento)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:13:51 -0600
From: "James E Oberg" <jeoberg at comcast.net>
To: "Peter Pesavento" <pjp961 at svol.net>
Cc: fpspace at friends-partners.org
Subject: [FPSPACE] Lana Sator's blog URL
Message-ID: <EFDAFFF3CECC41B195BBFE019D756BA4 at ownerfbf08f40c>
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http://lana-sator.livejournal.com/
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:16:27 +0200
From: Baris Gen?ay <baris.gencay at gmail.com>
To: <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
Cc: James E Oberg <jameseoberg at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters --
    squelchreporting    onthem
Message-ID: <C455BA4746D04B778B396076C144DF92 at uzay.tubitak.gov.tr>
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Cute girl.

http://lana-sator.livejournal.com/160176.html#cutid1
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James E Oberg 
  To: Peter Pesavento 
  Cc: fpspace at friends-partners.org 
  Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters -- squelchreporting 
onthem


  see below.

  ?????? ???? ????? ? ?????? ???????? 

  Still looking for her URL

  Russian bloggers penetrate into strategic defense enteprise five times

  

  28.12.2011 

  

  
http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/28-12-2011/120106-energomash_engines-0/

  

  

  

  As it turns out, not every Russian enterprise that makes military hardware, is 
protected properly. It is not hard to enter the territory of such enterprises 
sometimes - one only needs to be observant for it. Sometimes, it is possible to 
penetrate into a secure facility through a hole in the fence.  This is what 
Russian blogger Lana Sator did. Under the cover of darkness, the young woman and 
her friends visited the territory of NPO Energomash in the Moscow region five 
times.

  

  Energomash is an enterprise that produces liquid fuel missile engines for 
civil and defense missiles, including R-36M, known for its NATO reporting name 
as SS-18 Satan.

  

  The uninvited guests of the secure facility took multiple photos during their 
night visits to the enterprise. Lana Sator described her journey on her 
LiveJournal page and illustrated the story with 96 photographs.

  

  Russia's Federal Security Bureau has already evinced interest in the incident, 
the Izvestia newspaper rote. Officials representing the administration of 
Energomash stated that the enterprise had no funds to repair the enclosure.

  

  According to Lana Sator, the enterprise began to repair its enclosure in 
autumn. It was then said that someone damaged the enclosure of the enterprise 
during construction works. A couple of months later, the curious friends 
discovered that the enclosure had not been repaired. The young people did not 
notice any warnings on the site, so they decided to visit the territory of NPO 
Energomash at night. They quietly attended two stands and climbed on top of the 
chimneys. 


  

  The blogger wrote that she was impressed with the territory of the enterprise. 
The most important thing is that the woman and her friends found not even a soul 
at the enterprise during all of the five night-time visits there. As soon as the 
young people found no security on the territory of the enterprise, they began to 
explore various constructions, climbing higher and higher on fire escapes. The 
friends thus explored multiple rooms with gas analyzing equipment and sensors; 
they also enjoyed the views of the night city from the roof of the building.

  

  In addition, the explorers entered the central control room, from where 
operators control the process of engine tests. The young people also visited the 
hall of the test stand. They were surprised to find out that the windows of the 
room were covered with poorly mounted iron sheets.

  

  Cameras and infrared sensors were everywhere, but they did not confuse the 
bloggers. There was no alarm system at the enterprise. It appears that the 
visitors did not mind to be identified either.

  

  Officials with Roskosmos refused to comment the situation. A high-ranking 
official said on conditions of anonymity that the Russian space agency was 
deeply impressed with what happened. "It was similar to the landing of Mathias 
Rust on Red Square on May 28, 1987. It demonstrated our inability to defend 
anything," the official said.

  

  The Federal Security Bureau has begun to investigate the incident at NPO 
Energomash. A criminal case against the administration of the enterprise is not 
likely because there is no affected party in the incident, the Izvesita wrote.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Peter Pesavento 
    To: 'James E Oberg' 
    Cc: fpspace at friends-partners.org 
    Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:02 AM
    Subject: RE: [FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters -- squelch 
reporting onthem


    Which bloggers or blogs are they talking about?

    

    Which media publications are they talking about?

    

    Can anyone talk to that?

    

    Thanks Jim for posting this.  

    

  

  27 ??????? 2011, 20:32    |  ???? ???????, ????? ??????? 12 

  ?????????????? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????????? ???????????????? ? ???

  ??????????? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ??????????, ??? ?? ????? ??????? 
?? ?????? ??????

  

  http://www.izvestia.ru/news/510947




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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:40:10 -0600
From: "James E Oberg" <jeoberg at comcast.net>
To: Baris Gen?ay <baris.gencay at gmail.com>,
    <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters --
    squelchreportingonthem
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"Cute", and quite possibly endangered. 

Email her your encouragement and support.

Public recognition is her only possible safety.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Baris Gen?ay 
  Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters -- 
squelchreportingonthem


  Cute girl.

  http://lana-sator.livejournal.com/160176.html#cutid1 
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:05:45 -0500
From: Christopher Gorski <cpgorski at gmail.com>
To: James E Oberg <jeoberg at comcast.net>
Cc: fpspace at friends-partners.org
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters --
    squelchreportingonthem
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Good grief:

  The Energomash plant can be accessed through holes in the fence, which
> it has no money to repair, Energia rocket and space corporation?s Senior VP
> Vladimir Osmolovsky told Izvestia .
>

...Yeah, this sounds like the problem was that there weren't enough
security-related laws.  Threats will clearly help here.


On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:40 AM, James E Oberg <jeoberg at comcast.net> wrote:

> ** ************
> "Cute", and quite possibly endangered.
>
> Email her your encouragement and support.
>
> Public recognition is her only possible safety.
>

Jim, you're a journalist--any chance a story about Russian security trying
to punish whistleblowers will fly here?  Possibly with a mention of the
whistleblowers themselves? -- you know the subtleties of these things; I
take your word for it that a little bit of fame is a greater protection
than risk...

After all, the US is currently depending on Russian rocket technology
exclusively for our manned efforts.  Doesn't that make this a US strategic
problem as well?

--Christopher Gorski
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:28:54 -0500
From: "Peter Pesavento" <pjp961 at svol.net>
To: <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
Subject: [FPSPACE] China reveals space plans through 2016 (the five
    year    plan)
Message-ID: <4efc8780.c616340a.5382.5c0d at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Associated Press, via Yahoo



http://news.yahoo.com/china-reveals-space-plans-2016-095936319.html




China reveals its space plans up to 2016


By LOUISE WATT | AP - 3 hrs ago



BEIJING (AP) - China plans to launch space labs and manned ships and prepare
to build space stations over the next five years, according to a plan
released Thursday that shows the country's space program is gathering
momentum.

China has already said its eventual goals are to have a space station and
put an astronaut on the moon. It has made methodical progress with its
ambitious lunar and human spaceflight programs, but its latest five-year
plan beginning next year signals an acceleration.

By the end of 2016, China will launch space laboratories, manned spaceship
and ship freighters, and make technological preparations for the
construction of space stations, according to the white paper setting out
China's space progress and future missions.

China's space program has already made major breakthroughs in a relatively
short time, although it lags far behind the United States and Russia in
space technology and experience.

The country will continue exploring the moon using probes, start gathering
samples of the moon's surface, and "push forward its exploration of planets,
asteroids and the sun."

It will use spacecraft to study the properties of black holes and begin
monitoring space debris and small near-Earth celestial bodies and build a
system to protect spacecraft from debris.

The paper also says China will improve its launch vehicles, improve its
communications, broadcasting and meteorological satellites and develop a
global satellite navigation system, intended to rival the United States'
dominant global positioning system (GPS) network.

China places great emphasis on the development of its space industry, which
is seen as a symbol of national prestige.

Its space principles - including peaceful development, enhancing
international cooperation and deep space exploration - are largely unchanged
from its previous two documents detailing the progress of China's space
missions, released in 2000 and 2006.

In 2003, China became the third country behind the U.S. and Russia to launch
a man into space and, five years later, completed a spacewalk. Toward the
end of this year, it demonstrated automated docking between its Shenzhou 8
craft and the Tiangong 1 module, which will form part of a future space
laboratory.

In 2007, it launched its first lunar probe, Chang'e-1, which orbited the
moon, collecting data and a complete map of the moon.

Since 2006, China's Long March rockets have successfully launched 67 times,
sending 79 spacecraft into orbit.

Some elements of China's program, notably the firing of a ground-based
missile into one of its dead satellites four years ago, have alarmed
American officials and others who say such moves could set off a race to
militarize space. That the program is run by the military has made the U.S.
reluctant to cooperate with China in space, even though the latter insists
its program is purely for peaceful ends.

"China always adheres to the use of outer space for peaceful purposes, and
opposes weaponization or any arms race in outer space," Thursday's white
paper states.

The Chinese government's policy is to "reinforce" space cooperation with
developing countries and "value" space cooperation with developed countries.
The paper lists cooperation between China and countries including Russia,
Brazil, France and Britain, and says of the United States: NASA's director
visited China "and the two sides will continue to make dialogue regarding
the space field."



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:29:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "David L. Rickman" <davidlrickman at aol.com>
To: fpspace at friends-partners.org
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters --
    squelchreportingonthem
Message-ID: <8CE945E34638F11-1924-2BA2A at webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello FPSpacers!


I don't know if this is the same group of people, but there was similar blog 
posting where a group entered the facility where the Energia-M is located and 
posted many photographs of that site.

I can't recall the actual blog address, but many of the photos from that blog 
can be found here:


http://www.buran-energia.com/energia/energia-photos.php?file_dbt_=27 


Best Regards,


David L. Rickman
549 Caribou Road
Asheville, NC  28803
USA




Follow my progress as I recreate the Soviet Lunniy Korabl spaceship in 1:5 scale 
at http://lunniykorabl.blogspot.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Gorski <cpgorski at gmail.com>
To: James E Oberg <jeoberg at comcast.net>
Cc: fpspace <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2011 5:32 am
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters -- 
squelchreportingonthem


Good grief: 


  The Energomash plant can be accessed through holes in the fence, which it has 
no money to repair, Energia rocket and space corporation?s Senior VP Vladimir 
Osmolovsky told Izvestia .  



...Yeah, this sounds like the problem was that there weren't enough 
security-related laws.  Threats will clearly help here.  




On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:40 AM, James E Oberg <jeoberg at comcast.net> wrote:


"Cute", and quite possibly endangered. 

Email her your encouragement and support.

Public recognition is her only possible safety.


Jim, you're a journalist--any chance a story about Russian security trying to 
punish whistleblowers will fly here?  Possibly with a mention of the 
whistleblowers themselves? -- you know the subtleties of these things; I take 
your word for it that a little bit of fame is a greater protection than risk... 


After all, the US is currently depending on Russian rocket technology 
exclusively for our manned efforts.  Doesn't that make this a US strategic 
problem as well? 


--Christopher Gorski



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:36:40 -0500
From: Chris Jones <clj at panix.com>
To: <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] China reveals space plans through 2016 (the
    five year plan)
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:28:54 -0500 "Peter Pesavento" <pjp961 at svol.net> wrote:

> Associated Press, via Yahoo
[...]
> http://news.yahoo.com/china-reveals-space-plans-2016-095936319.html
[...]
> China's space program has already made major breakthroughs in a relatively
> short time, although it lags far behind the United States and Russia in
> space technology and experience.

China has made good progress, but I question the "relatively short time" part
of this quote.  Relative to what?  Certainly not the comparable progress the
Soviet Union and the United States made to accomplish the same things years ago.

[...]
> In 2003, China became the third country behind the U.S. and Russia to launch
> a man into space and, five years later, completed a spacewalk. Toward the
> end of this year, it demonstrated automated docking between its Shenzhou 8
> craft and the Tiangong 1 module, which will form part of a future space
> laboratory.

It took both the USSR and the USA less than 4 years from their first human
spaceflight to their first space walk.  The USSR's first docking (which was
automated) took place 6 years after their first human spaceflight.  The US's
first docking (which was manual) took place less than 5 years after their first
human spaceflight.

The pace of China's space program looks even more leisurely when measured from
the launch of their first satellite.  It was 33 years from that milestone to
their first human spaceflight, while the USSR and USA each took a little over 3
years.

None of this is a criticism of the Chinese, just questioning the wording of
the reporting.


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:40:56 -0500
From: "Constantine A. Domashnev" <cdomashnev at acm.org>
To: <fpspace at www.friends-partners.org>
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Kremlin answer to space disasters --
    squelchreportingonthem
Message-ID: <000701ccc651$050d2560$0800a8c0 at vosem>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
    reply-type=original

> I don't know if this is the same group of people

Lana's policy seems to have her photos' Summary info wiped. Eg. 
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3008/33213654.dd/0_71e14_e0fc5185_XXL.jpg

Summary for this photo 
http://www.buran.fr/energia/Photos/100-Energia%20M%20Assemblage%20et%20tests-Energia%20M%20Assembling%20and%20tests-10.jpg
 
says it was taken 10/7/2010 with Canon EOS 30D, etc.

KD 



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:16:32 +0100
From: "Sven Grahn" <svengrahn at bahnhof.se>
To: "FPSPACE FPSPACE" <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
Subject: [FPSPACE] Soviet/Russian meter-band space radio channels and
    TRAL    and RTS-9 TM systems
Message-ID: <62536847C8CE4459B64CB7B8C41C1A2F at svempadator>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I stumbled on to this information while "trawling" the web and added it to my 
web site:: 

  a.. An article about "Soviet/Russian meter-band space radio channels" added. 
  b.. The article on PPM-AM telemetry greatly updated with information on the 
RTS-9 and Tral telemetry systems. 

Sven

Mr Sven Grahn
Rattviksvagen 44
SE-192 71 Sollentuna
Sweden
Phone:  +46 8 7541904
Mobile: +46 70 3443844
Skype: sven.grahn1
E-mail: svengrahn at bahnhof.se
Web: www.svengrahn.pp.se

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:06:54 -0500
From: LARRY KLAES <ljk4 at msn.com>
To: fpspace <fpspace at friends-partners.org>, <bioastro at setileague.org>,
    cas-l-astro <cas-astronews-l at cornell.edu>, Faces from Earth Google
    Group <faces-from-earth at googlegroups.com>
Subject: [FPSPACE] International Lunar Observatory Association plans
    to put telescope on the Moon in 2014
Message-ID: <BAY170-W164F991FDD94A931FEC9CC9C920 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"





A TELESCOPE ON THE MOON Posted on December 21, 2011  by Jon Lomberg One of the 
many pleasures of living on the Big Island of Hawaii is that astronomy and space 
exploration are considered local news. I like that idea of ?local?. It?s similar 
to the concept of ?galacticity?, as coined by Steve Durst, founder and president 
of the International Lunar Observatory Association (ILOA). Galacticity is the 
perspective that sees our world set against its real backdrop?the vast Milky Way 
Galaxy. I recently returned from a trip to Asia with Steve, where he brought me 
to speak about the Galaxy Garden at his Galaxy Forum events in Beijing and 
Tokyo, where we hope to find partners in creating ?sister? galaxy gardens in 
China and Japan.(News about that exciting trip in an upcoming post) Steve is 
working with another old friend, Bob Richards, a lunar explorer whose company 
Moon Express (ME) is vying for the $30 million Google X Prize. The prize will be 
awarded to the first private, non-governm
ental group that can send a small spacecraft to soft-land on the Moon, traverse 
a distance of 500 meters, and transmit a hi-def image and video back to Earth. 
Bob?s venture, ME, is considered a serious contender by our knowledgable 
sources. The payload that ME will carry is the ILOA?s project?the first 
astronomical observatory to operate remotely on the lunar surface. As a gesture 
of galacticity, the ?first light? image that traditionally heralds the existence 
of new observatories will take as its first image, the center of the galaxy.  
One more small step for Man, or at least machine. Full article here: 
http://citizenofthegalaxy.com/wordpress/?p=217                          

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:32:44 -0500 (EST)
From: "David L. Rickman" <davidlrickman at aol.com>
To: fpspace at friends-partners.org
Subject: [FPSPACE] Kontakt Docking System
Message-ID: <8CE9540F056497A-1924-34ECD at webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Hello All!


Does anyone have access to a good view of the Kontakt Docking System designed 
for use on the LOK? Specifically, I'm looking for images of, or information 
about the engagement probe.


Thanks and Best regards,


David L. Rickman
549 Caribou Road
Asheville, NC  28803
USA





Follow my progress as I recreate the Soviet Lunniy Korabl spaceship in 1:5 scale 
at http://lunniykorabl.blogspot.com
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:43:38 -0500
From: "Peter Pesavento" <pjp961 at svol.net>
To: <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
Subject: [FPSPACE] More reportage on China's five-year space plan
Message-ID: <4efe30a2.6c15340a.78d2.5553 at mx.google.com>
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>From the Telegraph (UK)



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8983929/China-declares-
plans-for-mission-to-the-moon.html






China declares plans for mission to the moon


China has declared its intent to send a man to the moon, aiming to become
the first nation to reach the lunar surface since the last American mission
in 1972. 


7:00AM GMT 30 Dec 2011

A white paper published on Thursday laid out the country's five-year plan
for the development on new satellites, spacecraft and a space station and
provided the official confirmation of China
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/> 's lunar ambitions. 

The landing is not expected until at least 2020 but under the government's
blueprints "new technological breakthroughs" in human space flight will be
achieved by 2016. 

The country hopes to complete it first space station in the same year, a
goal encouraged by the successful mission to dock two unmanned spacecraft in
orbit last month. 

"Chinese people are the same as people around the world," Zhang Wei, an
official with China's National Space Administration, told the Financial
Times. 

"When looking up at the starry sky, we are full of longing and yearning for
the vast universe." 

Two Chinese flights are expected in the 2012, nine years after Yang Liwei
became the first "taikonaut" to reach space. 

The scale of China's plans come in stark contrast to those of the United
States, the first and only nation to reach the moon in 1969. 

George W Bush proposed an American return to the moon but the programme was
halted by Barack Obama, citing the enormous cost. 

In July, the space shuttle Atlantis made its final landing, ending the
30-year era of the American space shuttle. 

No human set foot on the moon since December 1972 when American astronauts
landed as part of the Apollo 17 mission. 

Although the space programme is being run by the Chinese military, the white
paper insists the country has no ambitions for weapons in space. 

"China always adheres to the use of outer space for peaceful purposes, and
opposes weaponisation or any arms race in outer space," it reads. 

It also provides a long list of countries working with China on space
research including Britain, France, Brazil and Russia. 



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