[FPSPACE] Any input?

Peter Pesavento pjp961 at svol.net
Sun Jul 5 08:15:00 EDT 2009

Sorry, but not convincing enough.  We are still depending upon one person's
claims of what they are interpreting.  Even if people believe that the
person making the claims is a researcher of some prominence.


We need a map of where the alleged debris field for 6L is (and where in
proximity to that that the LK was found), and where 5L debris materials are,
and where the 7L debris materials are, and where 3L debris materials are out
on the steppe.  Where the materials have radiated out.


That would aid things.


If these pictures were only taken in 1991, that doesn't help.  If they had
been taken at the time in the summer of 1971, then yes, we have the
evidence.  But we don't have that.


That the Russian researcher was able to photograph this material on the
steppe in 1991 (20 years afterwards) appears also to indicate this-after an
N-1 blows to smithereens, does that mean the after-effects are no longer a
Top Secret endeavor?  The Soviet/Russian authorities just walked away from
the rocket and payload debris afterwards?  Leaving it out there for anyone
to wander over to inspect (if they know where to look)?




It seems that they hadn't learned their lesson from early on.  


In my latest article on the Vostok program and US intelligence, I highlight
that early on (apparently very early on) that US HUMINT assets would
back-pack in and take pictures and samples of particular launch debris
following a launch of interest.  (Part 1 of the paper is now out in the
current issue of "Space Chronicle" issued by the BIS.)


So maybe with the continued indifference of the Soviet/Russian space
authorities, it appears perhaps highly likely the US visits to the rocket
debris fields must have continued onwards into the 1970s.



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[mailto:fpspace-bounces at friends-partners.org] On Behalf Of Bart Hendrickx
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Any input?


Peter Pesavento wrote :


On the NK page "Voron" says that it is from the June 1971 launching.  But
other than his word, we have no way of knowing if it really is or not.


It should be more accurate to say that a Russian-based researcher believes
it is from the June 1971 launching.  There is no corroborative documentation
actually pointing to that.


Now if "Voron" coughs up the information that will corroborate his claim
that the LK remains on the Kazakhstan steppe are indeed from the June 1971
launching, then I will be satisfied.  (As for example, he can show that the
photos are pulled from his scrapbook from that time frame, and not later
say, in 1972, or prove that it's not the 5L LK remains.  Or he shows on a
map where he found the LK remnants, and proves that it is on the specific
flight path of the 6L rocket.  Something like that.)


Not before.


The person in question is not just some researcher, but a cosmodrome veteran
who took the pictures himself in 1991. They were taken about 5 km from the
pad, exactly where documentation showed the payload from the 6L launch came
down. I suppose that's convincing enough.


Bart Hendrickx


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